Hyuuga Hisako
Experience Level
Konohagakure (Chuunin)
If you suppose your speech is normal your impediment is listening
Posts: 192
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Post by Hyuuga Hisako on Nov 18, 2011 1:44:49 GMT -5
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Post by Melody Kari Starlight on Nov 18, 2011 5:13:20 GMT -5
Man that is just so funny. I know what I would do I would just bark at her when I see her next or howl and then say that wild dogs can not be trained. To me that would never work but the idea of free candy to do something sounds like someone's mother trying to get their kid to clean their room by brideing them with their fab treat.
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Post by Hishirugi Maximillion on Nov 18, 2011 11:32:19 GMT -5
My Point of View:
If you do it for the free candy, AND you become a neater person in the process AND your friend has one less thing to worry about.....sounds like a win/win/win situation to me, no matter HOW you look at it.
That's one of the things about this kind of conditioning. If everyone wins, why fight it?
Be glad someone is willing to invest in you. In this world, one will find there are few people willing to expend the energy to invest in others' well being and/or future, and the number becomes fewer and fewer with age.
Source(s): Intro to Psych, Psych 101, Abnormal Psychology, Child Psychology {Psych Minor}
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Post by hyuganeji on Nov 20, 2011 17:17:45 GMT -5
Arikado, I find your opinion moderately disturbing. You think that any attention is good attention then? I speak from experience when I say you are dead wrong. I have to say I would rather be away from such a situation. It's obviously got potential to devolve into a control spiral that can seriously damage people's lives. Investing is attempting to be a positive presence whereas this appears to be a selfish attempt at manipulating others. I am human and therefor fallible like all others. While you are right about people being unwilling to aid that doesn't mean blindly accept everything as an attempt to "help" you. Unless the intention is obviously helpful and nobody else stands to gain from it then I would trust its a true attempt to help.
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Post by Uchiha Itachi on Nov 20, 2011 23:19:46 GMT -5
Shadow Conditioning Jutsu... he can use it already.
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Madara Uchiha
Experience Level
Missing-nin (Jounin-level)
Friends are just enemies who have not declared war upon you.
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Post by Madara Uchiha on Nov 21, 2011 3:43:48 GMT -5
Look at the cards Hisako. 'Power' means everything in life. I do not mean some simple kid like view of power. Leave all the KI blasts out of this definition. Power is the ability to do something or act in a particular way. Look at your power closely and view it from a third person. Be glad you have the ability to for see a change at hand. If you think being a more clean person could be better for your life and increase your 'Power' do not turn down it at all. If you believe it could help you or those around you it is a useful investiment. Accept the change. Yet, if you feel being clean or to clean is a bad thing than deny the change and remain the way you are. You alone control the path you walk people just reveal all the different roads you can walk on.
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Post by hyuganeji on Nov 21, 2011 12:26:31 GMT -5
@ Itachi - That made my day
Just to clarify a few things so I don't come off all emo/everyone is out to get you:
1. I draw from my pool of experiences, I find my own interactions with people have led me to the conclusion that your "power" can, and will, be sought out by others.
2.As Madera said I will borrow his definition for a moment. The power one has over their own life is constantly bombarded by people, be it society, friends, acquaintances, teachers/bosses, enemies, etc. This can lead people to think more or less of their power, allowing an opportunist a chance to subtly, or not so subtly depending on the person, try to manipulate how people think of themselves. They try to wrangle the power for themselves, via conditioning (Highly immoral without consent) or degrading remarks and the like (Lowering self-worth) to influence decisions.
3. I have had people use these techniques on me without my consent, and conditioning like that when I discovered it made me feel like someone had tried to change me fundamentally. (If you want to know what they were trying to condition I won't say, but it was a negative reinforcement system that involved pain) And when I found this out it ruined my perception of that person and entirely drove them from my life. It is not ok to screw with someone in my opinion.
This may or may not help my case but as Arikado states in his post this is merely my opinion. I apologize if it offends anyone,
Ja ne
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Post by fallencatalyst on Nov 25, 2011 7:41:44 GMT -5
I have been meaning to get back to this. I left a very small vague definition. I have been real busy lately, and not a lot of time to do these minor things in life such as forums. I have spent a grate part of my life studying psychology. These treatments your friend is doing on you is done everyday. Local and Big businesses do it all the time. Some call them rewards points. You spend so much money here you can get a free cup of coffee and so forth. These things are good because they spread power around and when power moves more of it is made. Helps out the entire hole. You just have to be careful. As Neji pointed out there are people who only care about their own sake. They want the best of the best for themselves. Madara is a prime example. He manipulated the entire Akatsuki members for his own sake, and did not ever care about their needs. Your friend is eager to try something that made the cell phone, founded the computer, that raised us from simple cavemen to technicians.
You should take this experience and learn from it. Even if you do not want the change itself studying it would benefit you not matter what. If you become a parent you will need this kind of thing more than ever. You will need to balance Negative and Positive Reinforcement. There are more reinforcements than these, but these will do for everyday life. Also, do not hate your friend for any results that may come from it. Regardless of what happens as Arikado said she is at least willing to try to improve your life. She is a friend worthy to keep. Just try not to become a clean freak that is to busy cleaning to find enjoyment of their own. Simple things like these have a way to consume people's lives and place more pressure on them than a girl that got rapped. This is no joke. More suicides come from people who could not keep up with the daily life they set for themselves than all kinds of victims to morbid shit like rape.
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Hyuuga Hisako
Experience Level
Konohagakure (Chuunin)
If you suppose your speech is normal your impediment is listening
Posts: 192
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Post by Hyuuga Hisako on Nov 25, 2011 10:38:10 GMT -5
Thank you everyone! This was all very, very helpful. I'd like to take the time to explain a few things. First of all, Neji had a bit of an advantage when it comes to dishing out advice. He is my buddy here so I tell him more things about the people involved than I told the rest of the internet. That being said, given the information everything was pretty helpful in putting perspective on some things. Second, the young lady that was planning on doing this to me was not doing so out of love but more to try to control me. I hesitated to call her a friend in this instance but I did because it was for lack of a better word. She has done some other things that has brought me to this point. At any rate, thank you everyone! Thanks, Itachi for the joke XP
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